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Oh, sweet irony! 
16th-Jul-2007 06:31 pm
[Bloom] Wank us!
So I'm on the American Family Association mailing list. It's basically for 'know your enemy' type purposes. I sometimes like to see what kind of things they're fighting against, because they're usually things I'm FOR and would like very much to help happen. I've even written some emails to senators and such praising or encouraging gay-friendly actions, with the AFA's own email form. I'm such a rebel.

Anyway, one of their recent letters is about a Hindu chaplain who was going to open the Senate with a Hindu prayer. The AFA email says it will be the first Hindu prayer ever said to open the Senate, and claims it's horrible because Hinduism is polytheistic, and that goes against everything the Constitution was written for (monotheism being, of course, what's scattered throughout most of our most precious pieces of history). The part that made me laugh, though, was this quote from a report on onenewsnow.com, from a Christian historian (I didn't know that was a job O_o) named David Barton:

Barton says given the fact that Hindus are a tiny constituency of the American public, he questions the motivation of Senate leaders. "This is not a religion that has produced great things in the world," he observes."You look at India, you look at Nepal -- there's persecution going in both of those countries that is gendered by the religious belief that is present there, and Hindu dominates in both of those countries."

AHAHAHAHA. Because no countries run by primarily Christian people EVER persecuted or harmed ANYONE, in the history of EVER. And no other religion in the world ever did anything right, either, only the various sects of Christianity.

Why does anyone still listen to stuff like this? [sigh]

ETA: OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE! I was just poking around Suicide Girls checking out some interesting articles after reading Warren Ellis's Sunday Hangover, and I found THIS. I truly never believed they would have taken it this far. It's one thing to decry the 'abomination' before it happens, but to actually do this WHILE the poor man was trying to lead everyone in PRAYER?! I just have no words for this. I really don't.

ETA(Some more): The person who posted this is awesome. It makes me feel better about the way I've always thought the Constitution and our country was founded, with all that lovely stuff like the separation of church and state and freedom from persecution and all that jazz. I was almost starting to think I'd made it all up. http://chicora.org/founding_fathers_and_religion.htm
Comments 
17th-Jul-2007 04:57 am (UTC)
Pretty sad, isn't, that they actually created a ruckus in the chamber. I just wish we knew for sure whether any Senators actually boycotted it or not...hard to tell since the opening invocation is apparently very poorly attended. I first got wind of it all on the comm dark_christian, they track dominionism in the US, and I was quite thoroughly disgusted but sadly unsurprised. :/
17th-Jul-2007 05:15 am (UTC)
It's sad and disgusting and I wish I could say I was more surprised than I am, but I've seen such things happen far too often to be totally surprised anymore. Did you see my second ETA? There are some wonderful quotes on there that help to restore my faith in the spirit this country was really founded on.
17th-Jul-2007 05:50 am (UTC)
I hadn't seen the second ETA and reading it now makes me wish I'd saved the link to a similar site I ran across last week. Reading things like that are at least mildly comforting, though religious zealots really don't care about the original intent of the founding fathers, they just want to spout their exclusionary and supremacist vitriol. It makes me positively fume that we got saddled with crap like In God We Trust on the coinage and that obnoxious addition to the national anthem in the 50s by anti-communist reactionaries and I'm honestly not terribly thrilled that they're opening any government proceedings with a prayer, but if they're gonna do it they'd better fucking well include ALL faiths represented in this country, including something that could arguably be considered secular humanist for those of us who don't want anything to do with their religions. *grumblesnarlgrowl*
17th-Jul-2007 05:30 am (UTC)
"This is not a religion that has produced great things in the world," he observes. "You look at India, you look at Nepal -- there's persecution going in both of those countries that is gendered by the religious belief that is present there, and Hindu dominates in both of those countries."

Okay... this is not only funny because it's hypocritical as FUCK for any American/Christian to say something like this, but also because... it's not true. The source of Hinduism, for one is the SOURCE OF THE FIRST FUCKING CIVILIZATION as far as we know. Yeah, definitely, those fucking Hindus have done nothing for us!

And also... ummmm here's a little wakeup call for this guy about religious persecution in India-- it's EXACTLY like it is here only actually BETTER. Religious persecution existed in a ridiculous way for a very long time and it is pretty much BANISHED now. And there the government is even more reactive-- their version of affirmative action makes it actually difficult for anyone "forward caste" to get into a good college. (Ask me how I know? My husband's family = Brahmin. Don't get them started-- they were poor as fuck and really don't give a hang if the last generation oppressed the other castes.) Hinduism is so fucking inclusive! *twitch*

And if they're referring to Muslims... what the fuck. Muslims are a minority but they are not in any way hampered from practicing their beliefs and taking part in politics or... anything. (Unlike in Pakistan, where Hindus aren't allowed to ... do much of anything. Like breathe. Not that I blame Pakistan for their hate, just saying.)

And then there's Nepal. A country with ethnic and religious diversity out the ASS who doesn't CARE. Hell even their "indigenous" population is split between Buddhist and Hindus. Jesus H Christ. I lived there for six fucking months in a Buddhist (READ: MINORITY) community! They have bigger issues like... you know. "Maoist" (communist... but not) insurgencies and shit. Motherfuckers!

Just... GRAH!!!

But also, I really enjoy the founding fathers. After that little journey to Mount Vernon earlier in the month I found my faith renewed too. I was almost happy to be American, till I realized where that shit ended up...

GW actually wrote a really cool letter to a synagogue as well, actually, one of the first in the country, saying he was pretty much... well, glad to see them and looked forward to living in harmony. Sure, it was still Abrahamic, but you know. That was pretty much all we had to work with at the time. George would be pissed right now. PISSED.

Sorry... that was a lot of ranting. But this shit makes me pull my hair out.
17th-Jul-2007 05:33 am (UTC)
And you know what else?

Why the fuck is ANY prayer being said?!

Okay. I'm done now. Really.
17th-Jul-2007 03:18 pm (UTC)
This was my thought exactly.

Unless, of course, they want to offer up the Athiests prayer.

Our brains, which art in our heads,
treasured be thy name.
Thy reasoning come.
Thy best you can do be done
on earth as it is.
Give us this day new
insight to help us resolve conflicts and
ease pain.
And lead us not
into supernatural explanations;
deliver us from denial of logic.
For thine is the kingdom of reason,
and even though thy powers are limited,
and you're not always glorious
you are the best evolutionary adaptation
we have for helping this earth now and
forever and ever.
So be it.
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